Comments on: Perhaps the F stands for “Fail”? http://blog.wirelizard.ca/2009/11/25/f-splat/ Brian Burger's Blog Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:18:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Martin http://blog.wirelizard.ca/2009/11/25/f-splat/#comment-66 Martin Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:55:28 +0000 http://blog.wirelizard.ca/?p=488#comment-66 mono+eog+f-spot+tomboy ~ 12 MB gthumb+gnote+gimp ~ 20 MB mono+eog+f-spot+tomboy ~ 12 MB
gthumb+gnote+gimp ~ 20 MB

]]> By: stoffe http://blog.wirelizard.ca/2009/11/25/f-splat/#comment-61 stoffe Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:34:59 +0000 http://blog.wirelizard.ca/?p=488#comment-61 Thank you for writing this post, I couldn't possibly agree more. I tried F-Spot once when it was introduced, and once again now after installing a fresh 9.10 Ubuntu and also coming home from a vacation on the other side of the world - the perfect occasion. Un-use-able. And let's face it, F-Spot is only in there because of a heavy lobby campaign by a few who has other reasons besides getting the best photo app into Gnome and/or $DISTRO. Thank you for writing this post, I couldn’t possibly agree more. I tried F-Spot once when it was introduced, and once again now after installing a fresh 9.10 Ubuntu and also coming home from a vacation on the other side of the world – the perfect occasion. Un-use-able.

And let’s face it, F-Spot is only in there because of a heavy lobby campaign by a few who has other reasons besides getting the best photo app into Gnome and/or $DISTRO.

]]> By: motumboe http://blog.wirelizard.ca/2009/11/25/f-splat/#comment-60 motumboe Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:14:34 +0000 http://blog.wirelizard.ca/?p=488#comment-60 I agree with you Brian. I'm a photo-hobbyist and I have about 150 GB of pictures. I have not enough space to replicate them for the f-spot cache! I agree with the decision to drop gimp (gnome is a set of simple and clean programs), but f-spot should be dropped too. In fact, also accessing pictures via Nautilus bothers me: http://jeff.ecchi.ca/public/nautilus%202.22%20thumbnails%20jumping%201.ogg https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524363 I'd need something like f-spot to match my particular needs, but I have to get rid of the caching: simply, I don't want to buy a 1TB disk and be able to use only 500GB! (500 for pics and 500 for cache)!! I agree with you Brian.
I’m a photo-hobbyist and I have about 150 GB of pictures.
I have not enough space to replicate them for the f-spot cache!

I agree with the decision to drop gimp (gnome is a set of simple and clean programs), but f-spot should be dropped too.

In fact, also accessing pictures via Nautilus bothers me:
http://jeff.ecchi.ca/public/nautilus%202.22%20thumbnails%20jumping%201.ogg

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524363

I’d need something like f-spot to match my particular needs, but I have to get rid of the caching: simply, I don’t want to buy a 1TB disk and be able to use only 500GB! (500 for pics and 500 for cache)!!

]]> By: dee http://blog.wirelizard.ca/2009/11/25/f-splat/#comment-59 dee Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:04:52 +0000 http://blog.wirelizard.ca/?p=488#comment-59 The part of F-spot I hate most is the timeline. That probably works great unless half your pictures were taken on a camera that had the wrong date. The import sucks too. apt-get remove. I can think of something else the f might stand for but fail is good. The part of F-spot I hate most is the timeline. That probably works great unless half your pictures were taken on a camera that had the wrong date. The import sucks too. apt-get remove. I can think of something else the f might stand for but fail is good.

]]> By: Brian http://blog.wirelizard.ca/2009/11/25/f-splat/#comment-58 Brian Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:46:48 +0000 http://blog.wirelizard.ca/?p=488#comment-58 Ben - interesting thought about the timescale of Ubuntu releases vs the timescales we actually use/have used our computers; it helps to remember there's such a high level of churn in desktop Linux the last several years, with massive advances and changes in the state-of-the-art. Occasionally distros and apps are going to make mis-steps; i'd regard F-Spot's inclusion in Ubuntu by default as one of those mis-steps, others obviously disagree. Some things that seem like mis-steps have worked themselves out - gstreamer instad of xine felt like a huge mistake when it was first done, but gstreamer has far surpassed xine now. Pulseaudio, the growth and now gradual removal of HAL, lots of other cases... these are all the growing pains of desktop Linux. Martin - has someone run the numbers on the current Karmic/Lucid packages to see what the space calcuations are for f-spot/tomboy/mono/etc vs gthumb/gnote/possibly keeping GIMP? I'm interested in those numbers, but haven't the package-juggling/number-crunching <em>fu</em> to come up with them! Many thanks to everyone for a civil and interesting discussion - let's keep it going! Ben – interesting thought about the timescale of Ubuntu releases vs the timescales we actually use/have used our computers; it helps to remember there’s such a high level of churn in desktop Linux the last several years, with massive advances and changes in the state-of-the-art. Occasionally distros and apps are going to make mis-steps; i’d regard F-Spot’s inclusion in Ubuntu by default as one of those mis-steps, others obviously disagree.

Some things that seem like mis-steps have worked themselves out – gstreamer instad of xine felt like a huge mistake when it was first done, but gstreamer has far surpassed xine now. Pulseaudio, the growth and now gradual removal of HAL, lots of other cases… these are all the growing pains of desktop Linux.

Martin – has someone run the numbers on the current Karmic/Lucid packages to see what the space calcuations are for f-spot/tomboy/mono/etc vs gthumb/gnote/possibly keeping GIMP? I’m interested in those numbers, but haven’t the package-juggling/number-crunching fu to come up with them!

Many thanks to everyone for a civil and interesting discussion – let’s keep it going!

]]> By: simone http://blog.wirelizard.ca/2009/11/25/f-splat/#comment-57 simone Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:15:37 +0000 http://blog.wirelizard.ca/?p=488#comment-57 @ Martin +1!!! @ Martin
+1!!!

]]> By: Ben http://blog.wirelizard.ca/2009/11/25/f-splat/#comment-56 Ben Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:48:05 +0000 http://blog.wirelizard.ca/?p=488#comment-56 @Brian Sure, maybe i wasn't clear. I meant you live on a time scale which is different from the Ubuntu one. These days, Ubuntu seems a perfect choice if you want to relearn your computer every six months. My photo collection is 8 years long, only through Linux, and i know for sure that in order to manage it, i should never rely on an Ubuntu tool-du-jour, unless i'm ready to experience about the same as your when next shiny, unfinished, toy is released. The same would apply to backup softwares. Or to file manager. Or to many other real-life usage patterns where software is only the tool, not the end. Ubuntu seems to have forgeten these days the users wants to, ahem, make *use* of the computer. @Brian
Sure, maybe i wasn’t clear. I meant you live on a time scale which is different from the Ubuntu one. These days, Ubuntu seems a perfect choice if you want to relearn your computer every six months. My photo collection is 8 years long, only through Linux, and i know for sure that in order to manage it, i should never rely on an Ubuntu tool-du-jour, unless i’m ready to experience about the same as your when next shiny, unfinished, toy is released. The same would apply to backup softwares. Or to file manager. Or to many other real-life usage patterns where software is only the tool, not the end. Ubuntu seems to have forgeten these days the users wants to, ahem, make *use* of the computer.

]]> By: Marvin http://blog.wirelizard.ca/2009/11/25/f-splat/#comment-55 Marvin Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:25:30 +0000 http://blog.wirelizard.ca/?p=488#comment-55 @ Mackenzie about gthumb: "It seemed to just do things to the pictures on my camera with no option to put them into an album on the computer. Weird. Why would I want to organize my camera?" I don't know what gthumb version you have been using or how you might get that kind of behavior. I can't even figure out how you might have achieved this. In fact the import dialogue in gthumb seems much more saner then the f-spot one. It has "Destination:" in the simple, clutter free import dialogue. Also the checkbox for auto rotation using exif is a must. @ Mackenzie about gthumb:
“It seemed to just do things to the pictures on my camera with no option to put them into an album on the computer. Weird. Why would I want to organize my camera?”

I don’t know what gthumb version you have been using or how you might get that kind of behavior. I can’t even figure out how you might have achieved this. In fact the import dialogue in gthumb seems much more saner then the f-spot one. It has “Destination:” in the simple, clutter free import dialogue. Also the checkbox for auto rotation using exif is a must.

]]> By: Martin http://blog.wirelizard.ca/2009/11/25/f-splat/#comment-53 Martin Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:23:45 +0000 http://blog.wirelizard.ca/?p=488#comment-53 removing f-spot+eog+tomboy+mono in favor of gnote+gThumb would probably even free enough space to reinclude the gimp removing f-spot+eog+tomboy+mono in favor of gnote+gThumb would probably even free enough space to reinclude the gimp

]]> By: Brian http://blog.wirelizard.ca/2009/11/25/f-splat/#comment-52 Brian Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:50:14 +0000 http://blog.wirelizard.ca/?p=488#comment-52 @Ben - wut? I said in the OP that my <em>photo collection</em> was two years old or so, as in, I've only owned a digital camera for that long. My Ubuntu install is up to date - I upgraded to 9.10 the day it came out. So your bizarre objections are largely meaningless, although I do agree that some apps are included by default in Ubuntu releases with what seems like inadequate testing and development and on shaky reasoning... the dropping of gthumb for f-spot being a prime example. @Ben – wut?

I said in the OP that my photo collection was two years old or so, as in, I’ve only owned a digital camera for that long.

My Ubuntu install is up to date – I upgraded to 9.10 the day it came out.

So your bizarre objections are largely meaningless, although I do agree that some apps are included by default in Ubuntu releases with what seems like inadequate testing and development and on shaky reasoning… the dropping of gthumb for f-spot being a prime example.

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